THINKBLUE152012-01-27 19:55:00 +0000 #1
Do you think they just say stuff to hear themselves talk? Make it sound good but never actually make much a of a point?
These guys obviously know baseball, but so much of what they say is just waste of breath. Things like, "I mean, you talk about a guy who is the ultimate gamer. He's gonna show up to the ballpark , he's gonna blah blah blah". Really!? He's gonna show up to the ballpark?! Come on.
I don't have specific examples off the top of my head but it just seems like after each statement by some of these guys, I just say..."Okay...."...like what the analyst just said didn't make any real point....didn't require any expertise (which they are supposed to be), and pushed the point of blabbering nonsense.
The former GMs and analytic guys make points. I am not a stats enthusiast at all. But they make valid, well thought out points and arguments in regards to evaluating talent. Then the ex player analyst will come back saying things like, "He shows up to the ball park" and, "I really like what this guy does"...great...
I don't doubt that there are intangibles, chemistry, and 'gamer' elements to the game, and I know the ex players have experienced it first hand. So I have to somewhat respect what they say. But I just don't seem to come out of these broadcasts with any knowledge.
I am a SABR ignorer but the more I listen to some of the things generic analysts babble on about, I am gaining more and more respect or statistical analysis. I feel I benefit from watching guys like Brian Kenny. Ex-players...not so much. At least not usually.
What are your thoughts on the quality of analysis on MLBNetwork, ESPN, etc.?
VRP7232012-01-27 20:09:27 +0000 #2
I know it's cliche to say coming from a SABR guy, but I honestly change the channel or mute it when baseball analysis comes on ESPN. I obviously watch Sportscenter every day, and I love seeing the highlights and the great plays and home runs, no baseball fan can hate that, but like today on SC when they went to PTI to talk about the Fielder signing, I left the room. I can't tolerate that crap anymore.
THINKBLUE152012-01-27 20:32:42 +0000 #3
Billy Ripkin just put Cuddyer as a better RFer in MLB than Andre Ethier. lol
CHRISDODGERS2012-01-27 20:54:05 +0000 #4
Guys like Harold Reynolds and Mitch Williams make me want to reach in my TV and punch them hard in the nuts. They offer absolutely nothing. I gain nothing from them.
Brian Kenny and Clubhouse Confidential are great though. Other than that I sort of hate MLBN.
ugafan2272012-01-27 21:45:43 +0000 #5
Most of them suck and know less than baseball than the average PSD poster. Some are okay though, always liked Brian Kenny.
GoatMilk2012-01-27 20:36:42 +0000 #6
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Originally Posted by ugafan227
Most of them suck and know less than baseball than the average PSD poster. Some are okay though, always liked Brian Kenny.
couldn't have said it any better
bill ripken and harold reynolds on MLBN are LOL
Cosmic_Canon2012-01-27 22:06:16 +0000 #7
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Originally Posted by THINKBLUE15
Do you think they just say stuff to hear themselves talk? Make it sound good but never actually make much a of a point?
These guys obviously know baseball, but so much of what they say is just waste of breath. Things like, "I mean, you talk about a guy who is the ultimate gamer. He's gonna show up to the ballpark , he's gonna blah blah blah". Really!? He's gonna show up to the ballpark?! Come on.
I don't have specific examples off the top of my head but it just seems like after each statement by some of these guys, I just say..."Okay...."...like what the analyst just said didn't make any real point....didn't require any expertise (which they are supposed to be), and pushed the point of blabbering nonsense.
The former GMs and analytic guys make points. I am not a stats enthusiast at all. But they make valid, well thought out points and arguments in regards to evaluating talent. Then the ex player analyst will come back saying things like, "He shows up to the ball park" and, "I really like what this guy does"...great...
I don't doubt that there are intangibles, chemistry, and 'gamer' elements to the game, and I know the ex players have experienced it first hand. So I have to somewhat respect what they say. But I just don't seem to come out of these broadcasts with any knowledge.
I am a SABR ignorer but the more I listen to some of the things generic analysts babble on about, I am gaining more and more respect or statistical analysis. I feel I benefit from watching guys like Brian Kenny. Ex-players...not so much. At least not usually.
What are your thoughts on the quality of analysis on MLBNetwork, ESPN, etc.?
Harold Reynolds is that you???
But yes, it is annoying to hear analysts use wins(for a SP) to prove a pitcher's worth, or ERA as well.
abe_froman2012-01-27 20:59:47 +0000 #8
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Originally Posted by THINKBLUE15
Do you think they just say stuff to hear themselves talk? Make it sound good but never actually make much a of a point?
These guys obviously know baseball, but so much of what they say is just waste of breath. Things like, "I mean, you talk about a guy who is the ultimate gamer. He's gonna show up to the ballpark , he's gonna blah blah blah". Really!? He's gonna show up to the ballpark?! Come on.
I don't have specific examples off the top of my head but it just seems like after each statement by some of these guys, I just say..."Okay...."...like what the analyst just said didn't make any real point....didn't require any expertise (which they are supposed to be), and pushed the point of blabbering nonsense.
The former GMs and analytic guys make points. I am not a stats enthusiast at all. But they make valid, well thought out points and arguments in regards to evaluating talent. Then the ex player analyst will come back saying things like, "He shows up to the ball park" and, "I really like what this guy does"...great...
I don't doubt that there are intangibles, chemistry, and 'gamer' elements to the game, and I know the ex players have experienced it first hand. So I have to somewhat respect what they say. But I just don't seem to come out of these broadcasts with any knowledge.
I am a SABR ignorer but the more I listen to some of the things generic analysts babble on about, I am gaining more and more respect or statistical analysis. I feel I benefit from watching guys like Brian Kenny. Ex-players...not so much. At least not usually.
What are your thoughts on the quality of analysis on MLBNetwork, ESPN, etc.?
remember that depth/breath of knowledge isnt the first and foremost thing producers look for in casting tv talent,its watch-ability.so take whatever they say with the same gain of salt the people who hire them did.as for former players(of any sport) i find arent very knowledgeable people(they were players because of their athletic abilities,not their brains).so stop taking them seriously.do what i do.to find out real analysis go look it up yourself,there are plenty of sites to use as resource.you should have no trouble finding what you seek
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