are you kidding me?

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A fellow HB reader and I got into an argument about this but thought I would ask the wider Ranger community. Chicago has reportedly reached an agreement to sign Marty Turco for $1.5 million as a contingency in case they walk away from Antti Niemi. As John Jaeckel wrote in a recent blog, the comparable salary for Niemi would likely be the $3.75 million per year deal signed by Jaroslav Halak, while the Blackhawks would need the award to be at $2.9 million to keep him. If the award comes in above the $2.9 million and let's say closer to $4 mil per year, look for Chocago to walk away.

If Niemi is available, several teams would likely be vying for his services. While the Rangers have a #1 goalie in Hank and are looking for a top center and Philly has been looking to move this player for a while and could use a true #1 goalie, an exchange of Lundquist for Carter could make some sense. Granted, the issue as to cap room in Philly still exists, though if they got Lundqvist, they could move Leighton to the minors and the two salaries would almost net to zero. In Carter, the Rangers get some cap relief relief now in the difference between the two, though that would be eaten up and put in the red if they did make a deal or move for Niemi, depending on if he is released or Chicago tries to deal him.

In swapping Hank for Niemi, the Rangers get slightly younger in net, add a goalie with less miles on it and someone who has proven he can win the big game in the NHL, as opposed to Hank, who has done it in the Olympics but doesn't have the signature moment in the NHL. In addition, the cheaper salary helps the Rangers free up some cap room while the lesser amount of abuse between the pipes may allow Niemi to be more ready when the Rangers prospects are in their prime. Carter adds to the skill level up font for the Rangers ad could you imagine him paired with Gaborik alone or with Gabby and Frolov on a line? Watching Torts try to get the best out of him would almost be worth the price of admission. Plus, the team could re-sign Carter, locking up a top center, which is something most have been pining for. Philly gets a true #1, yes I know Leighton was brilliant last year but I still believe that they would love someone who was a known quantity rather than a quasi-flash in the pan.

I know this is pure speculation and likely won't happen for several reasons, the main one being fear between the Rangers and Flyers as neither would want to deal with the fan backlash if they player they dealt led the other squad to a Cup. But, disregarding that, I believe it's an interesting concept and would love your view if I am completely off my rocker.

www.hockeybuzz.com/b...u-Deal-Hank/89/29549

Who thinks of this garbage? Hockeybuzz is becoming more and more retarted everyday.

i see this having 100 posts by tommorow with ltp saying stuff like niemi > lundqvist.

It's a bit ridiculous I think, but don't read into it a she did insert the disclaimer about it being a purely hypothetical super-longshot.

The funny thing to me is that he fails to mention the fact that the only time you really see a team trade a franchise goalie is when the player demands a trade, which he isnt, or when they are fully rebuilding and the rangers arent doing that. And the age argument is pretty ridiculous too, Niemi is maybe 18 mos younger than Lundqvist, if that. Lundqvist needs to play fewere games and I believe he will this year with Biron in the fold, but the mileage doesnt concern me. And when you consider the Flyer side of it, it makes it pretty worthless as an article

all you guys know I am not the biggest Lundqvist fan & feel he is overrated by many posters on this site as well as the media, he lets in soft goals & far to many of them for my liking. Now you can argue & we often do that it's more the team around him than it is him & we can argue that until we're blue in the face. I have always felt a big time franchise goalie is an over rated thing anyway & many times unnecessary. All that being said & myself being a big fan of Eklund & his site this is about as far fetched of a read that I've ever read. If any of you remember I had proposed a Jeff Carter for Henrik swap after Hank choked away & Tortorella coached away our shot at going to the post season this past year. But thinking more about it I would have to get more than Jeff Carter for Henrik Lundqvist. I would be open to dealing Lundqvist but I would want Nick Backstrom, another player & a 1st. rounder in return or a deal centering around Patrick Kane +. and the assertion that Chicago would release Niemi is about as insane as anything Eklunds ever posted. So yes MMM I think this is garbage as an article, but not totally out of the question as far as dealing Lundqvist goes.

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Originally Posted by jetsfan89

i see this having 100 posts by tommorow with ltp saying stuff like niemi > lundqvist.

jf89 i would say that Niemi is a better goaltender than Lundqvist its true, now perhaps the reason for that is a better defense in front of him I wont argue that point could also be the high powered offense of the Hawks has a lot to do with it. When looking at goalies I have always felt the only stat that matters is wins say gaa or sv pct. but in the end of the day you need to win the game & in that respect Niemi started 39 games last year & won 26 of those starts Lundqvist on the other hand started 73 & won 35 thats less than a .500 winning pctg & that to me is completely unacceptable. Dont use the excuse of being over worked either if the guy is an elite goalie which I'm sorry but he's not, he has got to do better than .500 more in the .650 to .700 range imo.

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Originally Posted by liltedspop

jf89 i would say that Niemi is a better goaltender than Lundqvist its true, now perhaps the reason for that is a better defense in front of him I wont argue that point could also be the high powered offense of the Hawks has a lot to do with it. When looking at goalies I have always felt the only stat that matters is wins say gaa or sv pct. but in the end of the day you need to win the game & in that respect Niemi started 39 games last year & won 26 of those starts Lundqvist on the other hand started 73 & won 35 thats less than a .500 winning pctg & that to me is completely unacceptable. Dont use the excuse of being over worked either if the guy is an elite goalie which I'm sorry but he's not, he has got to do better than .500 more in the .650 to .700 range imo.

All of those factors don't make him a better goaltender -- he had better W/L results than Lundqvist because of a better defense, high-powered offense, etc. See my next point:

W/L is a goalie stat that's just as misleading as a W/L stat in baseball for a pitcher. In a team sport, no one person can be consistently credited or blamed for wins and losses. If the game was played solely as a shoot-out, then you could use W/L as the predominant stat for judging a golatender's worth.

By the way, were you the person Levine had the argument with? That's the first thing that popped into my mind.

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Originally Posted by mmmrevolver93

www.hockeybuzz.com/b...u-Deal-Hank/89/29549

Who thinks of this garbage? Hockeybuzz is becoming more and more retarted everyday.

The funny thing is MMM when I was reading this I thought you wrote it and this was your idea.I said to myself wooooooooo.you're kidding right?

there are only two players in the league i would do this for. crosby or ovechkin.

or a package of corey perry, getzlaf, and bobby ryan, but that wont ever happen. not in a million years straight up for jeff carter especially not to a team in the division.